Core i9 vs Threadripper, Expensive RAID, Nvidia Max-Q, and the Radeon shortage | The Full Nerd Ep 24

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Gordon Mah Ung, Brad Chacos, Adam Patrick Murray, and special guest Alaina Yee cover all the hot news out of Computex and more! Don’t bother watching Apple’s 2017 WWDC keynote, your real PC talk is here.

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43 thoughts on “Core i9 vs Threadripper, Expensive RAID, Nvidia Max-Q, and the Radeon shortage | The Full Nerd Ep 24

  • June 8, 2017 at 3:15 am

    before I gave intel $100 for RAID, I'd buy a $400 RAID controller. Just so intel doesn't get my $$

  • June 8, 2017 at 5:28 am

    Well an Asus REP on ROG Forum said that i9( 14-16-18 cores) won't be available until 2018, but then later he changed his post to later this year.

    At this point it is quite evident that announcement of 18 core i9 was just a knee jerk reaction to threadripper. They don't even have their chip ready. They even failed to say anything regarding the spec of those chips.

    Also I am hearing some rumours regarding coffee lake that it has also been pushed towards 2018.

  • June 8, 2017 at 7:59 am

    I just started watching your podcast(youtubecast?) a few weeks ago.
    Big fan!! :)))

  • June 8, 2017 at 3:12 pm

    What is it about AMD not being able to get the same or better instructions per clock as Intel-based chips? Does it have to do with the way the physical make-up of the chip is during manufacture?

  • June 8, 2017 at 3:16 pm

    In the next 4-5 years, game developers will be coding for multi-core CPU's. Star Citizen is supposedly doing this right now. So, multi-core CPU's will become relevant soon in the gaming space.

  • June 8, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    @Alaina Yee….I'll give you a better example of getting ripped off. Remember when ice cream used to be sold by the half gallon and the packaging looked like it looked back then. Then they reduced the amount of ice cream you got in the box by like a 1/4 and to disguise that they took the packaging which remained the same width wise (so it didn't look any different as you stared at it through the glass window) but they shortened the depth of the box. Oh, and the price stayed the same. Now, that was a dick move.

  • June 8, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    To summarize it. Intel is in Deep Deep trouble.
    X86 architecture is reaching it«s peak improvement and now all the rage is Core count. And AMD is much better at that at way lower prices.
    Also a monolitic/single die multi-core can not beat right now the yield production of a multi-die chip like AMD's.
    And the infinity fabric Does gives the same inter-CPU speed. …
    So Intel can not match AMD pricing and does not have any technology to beat AMD.
    Let's face it …Intel is in deep deep trouble,
    Also it si not only IPC that matters … AMD on Load makes ALL Cores work at top Speed .. on Intel multi-core CPU's only one or two Core's reaches Turbo.
    AMD CPU's are therefore better at very demanding multi-threads apps since all cores work at top speed.
    And above all Threadripper is going to be available August … Intel offer only comes out at best January … way too late, way too overpriced, way to underperformance … way to limited on PCI lanes … a complete mess this desperate move from Intel.

  • June 8, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    dude are you kidding me? the price of the 6 core part is what gets you? i think thats a great price given what you get, 50$ over a 7700k basically for double the memory channels more pcie lanes the same IPC(skylake and kabylake are basically the same except a few specific use cases and kaby has a clock speed advantage) plus potentially decent overcloking headroom over a 6700k depending on how well they refined the process. given that a top end z270 and a low end x299 board are probably going to be similar in price and features youll be able to get into the hedt platform from intel cheap only like a 150-200 premium over the consumer line of cpus at most, at least on the 6 core part.

    if amd rumored pricing is true plus the 9 cpu line up then entry level threadripper pricing for a 10 core should be around 599$ meaning for the price of intels 8 core you get additional cores/threads only a minor drop in ipc and top clock speed but you get way more lanes. i mean the 8 core part might still make sense for some people being only a 130$ premium over an 1800x but you get additional lanes(4 or 8 i forget off the top of my head) again double the memory channels better ipc and better clock speeds and overclocking headroom. plus dont forget while amd is bringing great value and performance intel besides having ipc does also work better for people doing specific things anything heavy in avx will be faster on intel as it only takes them 1 clock cycle where as amd takes 2.

    so yeah hopefully amd does drop threadripper and the rumored prices and also validates ECC or at least a board maker gets on it, then threadripper can eat into intels lower end xeon line up and epyc can kill them in the high end, besides destroying 95% of the x299 platform, the 4 core parts already make no sense except for extreme overclockers as they are going really far on ln2, however for anyone actually looking at the x299 platform and actually needing it those parts are useless, 6 core part makes sense for a gamer wanting a hedt platform with intel maybe the 8 core as well for people also doing avx stuff, but anyone with a brain is going to go threadripper at any of the higher price points unless they need avx performance.

  • June 8, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    Entry level Threadripper with 16 cores and 32 threads is widely rumored to come in at $850. The closest i9 is an i9-7960X with the same spec of 16 cores 32 threads at a crazy $1,600. UMMMMmmmmmm.. Intel.. You have lost your mothafuggin mind! Even if the i9-7960X is say,, 15% faster, ITS 100% MORE EXPENSIVE!

  • June 8, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    i9 doesnt stand a chance just watch adoredtv and it confirmed my own suspicion that i9 is xeon… low clock speed doesnt hold a candle to ryzen tr with 4ghz

  • June 9, 2017 at 12:01 am

    I think the rumor of a 16 core threadripper at $850 will come true. Maybe not the X version, but a lower clocked 16 core I bet will be $850 and wreck the whole damn market. Big shakeup.

  • June 9, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    eople knock the 5820 k but it is a 6 core 12 thred part with 28 pcie laines but then you combine it with the asrockws-e you get 2 plx chips to boot and even doing edeiting i can not folt it i can never see myself needing more the 6 cores the conetivatyis alredy insain that said with the price of a ryzen 1700 i may just get one as a gaming rig and get the lowest thredripper as a NAS

  • June 9, 2017 at 2:17 pm

    Max-Q is just a fancy name for a slightly improved M-series. Really nothing in it has any sign of real innovation. Frame targeting+undervolting+underclocking… I can do the same with MSI Afterburner…

  • June 9, 2017 at 5:34 pm

    AMD had to press the issue with 2 cores, intel had 4GHZ celerons vs the 2.1G 2 core AMD parts but what happened? more cores eventually become the norm (killing a single core even with hyperthreading) same with 64 bits (yes itanium came first but was.. well new instructions, so…) netting us AMD64 instruction set we all use today, and finally, since wintel held us back so long, we're finally moving into the 64 bit era. Sadly games still come 32b (again the drawback is bigger files with the address space but there is a work around for this!… at least on linux) The point is it will happen and ryzen unlike bulldozer and it's ilk are loved, and accepted, mark my words this is the beginning of the end of sun 6c/12c parts … I'm looking at you photoshop, get in gear. Games are already starting to flirt with more cores, it's a challenge as it's hard to split up these things in productive ways but we're getting there trust me.

  • June 9, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    This is great.. more core the better.. When using your pc as a DAW.. and you have a DAW that utilizes all the cores.. you can start using vst plugins that simulate things you could never do at home before…   Great time to be alive, making music from home on a PC…  Threadripper here I come.. soon…

  • June 10, 2017 at 3:41 am

    why the rush on Vega? i would rather they get it right than release some POS that will let everyone down, Nvidia will be launching another 1080 variant at least 2 more times to milk the stupid Nvidia fanboys for more money for an extra 5 fps, i can wait i'm not gonna die if its not here yet. the bit miners are the ones sucking up all the AMD cards no rumor there.

  • June 10, 2017 at 8:17 am

    Waste of money for now.
    Developers just don't know how to program for CPUS with more than 4 cores. Many still use just a single core.
    Rather just upgrade my GPU and RAM.

  • June 10, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    Threadripper 16/32 $849.
    Intel X299 is dumb going with i5 and i7 4/8. They should just still with 6/12 upwards.

  • June 10, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    you guys need to work on your audio levels.

    I'm not trying to be a dick. It's just that when watching (especially on a television, even more so with stereo pass thru), the audio drops and rises can be very aggravating to adjust for.

  • June 10, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    If you are buying a 16 core cpu for gaming you are playing STAR CITIZEN!

  • June 10, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    Having just got a ryzen part I wonder if all this ends up being a "Good thing" and intel gets the lead again xD I try to be unbiased but id feel a bit annoyed lol gotta love tech man lmao xD

  • June 10, 2017 at 11:52 pm

    What Intel doesn't seem to notice is the people shopping for 2k dollar processors aren't even looking at any core series chip and they never will. Those people are looking at Xeon based workstations with ecc memory and raid support standard.

  • June 11, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    i really hate the 4 minute BS show that starts these show off! when you get down to it you are very good. just saying

  • June 12, 2017 at 11:34 pm

    please show me a Intel ssd worth a fuck. Samsung has been kicking intel's ass at ssd's for a long time.

  • June 13, 2017 at 9:14 am

    Intel crazy people engineer that all Crazy people..hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • June 13, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    The reason why IPC is important in gaming is because game development has not progressed much from DX9.

  • June 13, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    PC-s are not used only for gaming.
    And content creators do not always want only pc that is meant for content creation. Need CPU–s for example MANTRa in Houdini and it uses cores.
    And same time xeon cpus suck for gaming.
    Streamers use also cpu power
    generating normal maps, ao maps etc uses also cpu
    There is a lo0t of software that use multi core cpu power

  • June 14, 2017 at 12:58 am

    yeah, its nonsense. why would i go get an expensive x299 board to put a "souped up" i5 7600k on it? Microcenter z170/270 board and a 7600k is cheaper and can easily hit 4.6ghz for 90% of people…why, Intel…why?>?>!?!?!?!

    it seems that not many people upgraded from older generations to the 7th gen. I upgraded from Ivy to Skylake…and thats good enough for me! I wonder if they had left over chips and they decied to play with the microcode, boards, and plop 1151 parts onto 2066 substrates.

  • June 18, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    if you think you do no need 18 core for gaming you are so wrong, a video game is capable of using all the cores in a system and still come sort. If the make a 1000 core cpus, you can be sure there will be game demanding 2000 cores.

  • June 21, 2017 at 12:41 am

    For the first time I won't buy the newer intel or amd threadripper because I can't afford a $500 motherboard.

  • June 24, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    If you cut out all the lame jokes, laughing at nothing, this 1 hour and 29 minute video would only be 10 min long. Hate sitting thru over an hour of dumbshit ,thinking you ppl are some kind of wannabe talk show hosts. just get to the fucking point already.

  • July 1, 2017 at 6:26 am

    BTW a comparable PC is $4700. But its not a AIO, or a prebuilt. So the iMac Pro is actually a pretty good deal. That guy is very pretentious of PCs…

  • July 6, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    90 minutes + no time stamps = goodbye

  • July 12, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    Air cooler supporter: My bro (like 14 at the time) saved up and bought a new alienware with water cooling, it leaked like 6-8 months in and wrecked shop. Sent it in, got all the parts replaced for free, but it was still something that happened. Next; my workstation that I built has 2 xeon cpus on it, having 2 AIOs is difficult to deal with in most cases. Also, with what happened to my brothers computer, I was worried because this is a remote workstation, meaning, i'm not always around to check on it if it's leaking. If there's any problem, there isn't a quick way to diagnose that from miles away. So dual noctuas is where I went.

  • July 21, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @57:32, people who buy gaming laptops have more money than sense. Any laptop rated for gaming is expensive ($1500 on the bottom end), energy hogs (short battery life) that can't be upgraded…and they're too heavy/bulky to make proper mobile workstations. If you buy a good computer case and monitor, even a good motherboard can work for several builds if you're that committed to upgrading. Meanwhile, the laptop might work well for 2 years.

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